"I'll bet you say that people not working the program is the reason for failure"
Oh? And when I say that, what do I say after that?
This is exactly what I was trying to stick your nose in throughout my earlier post to you Ray, but you still managed to miss the point. Maybe as you read what I wrote, mumble it back to yourself to help you stay focused on what is really there. You need to expend greater effort to take better care of yourself.
I'll try to make it more clear to you.
You're imagining I say something I don't, then fantasize how to best refute the thing I don't say but you still are hearing me say.
I can't be the only one in your life who has difficulty communicating with one who hears and believes and then argues against the things people don't say. It's a waste of my time and from this point I won't continue to do so. You'll now need to argue with the things other people don't say.
Try really, really hard today to listen better and do your best to ignore it when you hear people saying things without talking.
Think how much quieter and easier life would be if you only heard what was said. Asking your Doctor to chemically fine tune out the imaginary voices out is wise, Ray.
By not doing so you run the risk of hearing people tell you to do things that are unsafe.
It's very good that you're not drinking. Or around AAs.
"AA wants to claim every success and disavow every failure."
Does it really now? Somewhere AA is claiming every success and goes further than that, disavowing each and every failure. That must be two huge lists.
Did you check the proper list to see if AA spelled your name right? You do know that is a strange fantasy of yours without any basis in reality, correct?
More true is that the few virulent AA haters who can't begin to bear the fact that AAs stay sober by taking some not very difficult spiritual (not religious) actions try their best to assign every person's failure to AA and lamely try to explain away the countless alcoholics who have found success with that path. Practically everyone has family or friends important to them who have maintained their sobriety in AA. That you failed in doing that is hugely important to you but means nothing to the rest of the world. They know AA works and trying to argue against that is a non-starter. It's why people lose interest when you begin the usual tired arguments, in case you were wondering.
It's good that you found medications that allow you to live without getting loaded. Given that you can have your meds adjusted as needed and hopefully not make yourself sick again, does it make any sense for you to plague those who have found a non-chemical way to remain unaltered and effective in life and comfortably sober?
You have your pills and no one is likely to suggest that you ever stop taking them. Why try to disrupt the ongoing recovery of those who have no use or need for artificial emotion enhancements?
A little jealousy. perhaps?
If so, try to lose it as no one who is successful in AA cares the least bit how you manage to get by day to day. Return the disinterest and find some new hobby to drain off your excess energies.
Massaging these old grudges against a few people in your past who have long forgotten you ever existed hurts only yourself, and continuing this effort to get imaginary payback is a complete waste of time for yourself and those you bore with it.
Vital and important knowledge garnered from bouncing in and out of AA for years and then "working in mental health" vs. what these specialists say their many years of research prove.
I'll go with the Doctors on this one. Thanks for sharing.
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